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Thus, whether or not I can speak of the obedience and love of others-be they ordinary Christians, the extraordinary Christians we call "apostles," or Jesus himself -- depends on whether or not I so experience them as to be renewed or confirmed through them in  in a new understanding of myself in obedience and love. In other words, I experience others as themselves obedient and loving, not by somehow determining that they bear witness in the first sense, as a consequence of their saving faith, but simply by experiencing them as bearing witness to me in the second sense, as confronting me with the decision of saving faith.

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