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But this seems to be the very point that Wittgenstein also wants to make about faith when he says that in giving us a historical report and saying, "Now believe\!" Christianity is not asking us to believe with the faith proper to a historical report, but rather asking us to believe "through thick and thin" \-\- "_und das kannst Du nur als Resultat eines Lebens_" (_{+}VB{+}_: 67). In other words, a faith that is actual only in existing and not in holding doctrines to be true is one and the same with a faith that one can have only as the result of a life \-\- or, as one might perhaps better translate, only as the result of \[a\] living \-\- and therefore is not simply believing a historical report.