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Wiki MarkupChris's reply to my criticism: _this_ _meaning, "justice" may be said to be a formative concept-and to be properly used in a constitution (as it, in fact, is used in the_ _US._ _Constitution)._ _implied_ _by constitutional provisions is one thing, what they_ _explicitly_ _provide for or prescribe, something else. And all that properly belongs in a democratic constitution as such is: (1) use of the concept "justice" in its heuristic (formative) meaning to make clear what the democratic discourse instituted by the constitution is all about; (2) specification of the formative rights/ liberties-private and public-that are necessary conditions of the possibility of participating in the democratic discourse; (3) specification of all the institutions necessary to make laws and to interpret and enforce them; and (4) specification of the conditions under which and the means by which the constitution can be amended, allowing that it may not be as democratic in fact as it is supposed to be in principle._ _"equalitY."_ _"life," "liberty," and "the pursuit of happiness" in the Declaration; or of_ _"tlw_ _blessings of liberty" in the Preamble._ _On_ _the other hand, the reference to_ _>'>:justice"_ _2{_}{_}in the Preamble, as well as, perhaps, its references to "the general welfare" and "domestic tranquility," seem to use the terms in their heuristic \[formative\] meaning.)_

17 November 2001I'm not convinced that you've correctly sorted out the precise sense in which justice is, as you say, "compoWld." So far as I can see, the most fundamental substantive right to general emancipation is as "constitutive" (or even "formative" ), Le., as metaphysically necessary, as the most fundamental formative right of communicative respect.

Thus, to my mind, there is a certain analogy here with the distinction between "metaphysical" and "empirical." True as it is that the properly metaphysical as such does not imply any

Why you do not reach the same conclusion is not clear to me, since you yourself (1) introduce the distinction between moral principles that can be validated only empirically and moral principles that must be validated metaphysically; and (2) identify the substantive principle of general emancipation as a nonempirical, properly metaphysical moral principle.

I would also ask whether the Constitution does not in fact stipulate the substantive principle' of general emancipation in so many words when

And what is it for the Declaration to assert that the reason governments are instituted among men who are created equal is to secure their inalienable rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"particular empirical state of affairs, it is just as true that it does imply that there be at least some empirical state of affairs. Mutatis mutandis, the formative principle of communicative respect necessarily implies the substantive principle of general emancipation; even though it does not imply any of the necessarily empirical substantive moral principles that themselves require the principle of general emancipation as the criterion of their validity. But, then, a democratic constitution has good reason to stipulate at least the prin.ciple of general emancipation, even if it has no business qua constitution stipulating any substantive principles of an empirical kind that require to be validated by the principle of general emancipation. it explains, in the Preamble, its own raison d'etre-namely, "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity." if not to 2imply that the substantive principle of general emancipation is rightly stipulated as a constitutional princple?

It's important to recognize that "justice" has a heuristic meaning in which it functions to specify what the democratic discourse established by a proper democratic constitution is all about. In

But no substantive concept of justice that would take the place of the heuristic (formative) concept, including even the substantive principle (or criterion) of general emancipation itself, has a proper place in a democratic constitution. Of course, it is necessarily implied by (even as it, in turn, necessarily implies) the formative principle of communicative respect. But what is

criticism: 

It's important to recognize that "justice" has a heuristic meaning in which it functions to specify what the democratic discourse established by a proper democratic constitution is all about. In this meaning, "justice" may be said to be a formative concept—and to be properly used in a constitution (as it, in fact, is used in the US Constitution).

But no substantive concept of justice that would take the place of the heuristic (formative) concept, including even the substantive principle (or criterion) of general emancipation itself, has a proper place in a democratic constitution. Of course, it is necessarily implied by (even as it, in turn, necessarily implies) the formative principle of communicative respect. But what is implied by constitutional provisions is one thing, what they explicitly provide for or prescribe, something else. And all that properly belongs in a democratic constitution as such is: (1) use of the concept "justice" in its heuristic (formative) meaning to make clear what the democratic discourse instituted by the constitution is all about; (2) specification of the formative rights/ liberties—private and public—that are necessary conditions of the possibility of participating in the democratic discourse; (3) specification of all the institutions necessary to make laws and to interpret and enforce them; and (4) specification of the conditions under which and the means by which the constitution can be amended, allowing that it may not be as democratic in fact as it is supposed to be 
in principle. 

As for the formulations in the Declaration or in the Preamble to the Constitution that might appear to express the substantive principle of justice, they can be accounted for either as using "justice"—or other terms and phrases synonymous with it—in its merely heuristic (formative) meaning or as stipulating properly formative rights/liberties as distinct from any properly substantive ones. (This clearly seems to be the case, for example, with "equality" "life," "liberty," and "the pursuit of happiness" in the Declaration; or of "the blessings of liberty" in the Preamble. On the other hand, the reference to "justice" in the Preamble, as well as, perhaps, its references to "the general welfare" and "domestic tranquility," seem to use the terms in their heuristic [formative] 
meaning.)

17 November 2001As for the formulations in the Declaration or in the Preamble to the Constitution that might appear to express the substantive principle of justice, they can be accounted for either as using "justice"--or other terms and phrases synonymous with it-in its merely heuristic (formative) meaning or as stipulating properly formative rights/liberties as distinct from any properly substantive ones. (This clearly seems to be the case, for example, with