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2. A debate about science is possible whter whether or not one makes the same assumptions, follows the same procedures and judges by the same criteria as science itself; for one can have, e.g. an ethical debate about science, or a philosophical debate, or a theological or ideological debate about it. of course, one may also have a scientific debate about science, as social scientists, say, presumably do, who see to understand science as an avtivity of men and women in society. But even then there is a difference between a debate of which science is the object, or which is about science, and a debate in which science is one of the parties to the debate, so that it is a debate with science.

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